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What does it take to have fruitful ministry over the long haul? 

The stresses of pastoring are well known and can be a match for even the best-prepared, most experienced in ministry--multiple tasks, long hours, taxing responsibilities and challenging personalities. 

Too often the results can be burnout, being run out or just feeling worn out. 

To find out how pastors can thrive as well as survive, we talk to Trinity Evangelical Divinity School's Donald Guthrie about a five-year in-depth research project he was involved with among working pastors. 

Donald and his fellow authors have uncovered five key themes that promote healthy, sustainable ministry that lasts--spiritual formation, self-care, emotional and cultural intelligence, marriage and family, leadership and management. 

Donald is in Sydney to present a seminar for the Anglican EdComm at Moore Theological College, but joins us just beforehand on The Pastor's Heart.